Curse

ozz · Oct 17, 2005, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Jakerius

Being a ranger...
I think the ratio of Ranger:Warrior is about 1:5.
Then the ratio of Ranger:Elementalist is 1:10

Point is, hardly anybody likes Rangers.
The other night I was trying to get a group for Thirsty River with my 18 R/Mo. One group lets me join, then 30 seconds later boots me.
This happens 4 more times, until I find a group that accepts me. So we're carving through the first bit of Thirsty River, and we get to the first enemy team.
I'm shouting to focus on one target at a time and then kill the priest, but nobody's listening to me, just killing whoever they want, because nobody wants to listen to the "stopid" [sic] Ranger. What does she know?
So we get mowed down a little after the 2 minute mark when the enemy team got rez'd on top of us.

Just great. The only team I found in 30 minutes is a bunch of retards. We did this 3 times, each time I'm frantically telling them to kill the priest or the enemies will get rez'd, each time to be left dumbstruck by how thick some people can be.

Any other Rangers ever felt the same?

When I am home this evening, I will delte my Ranger at once ... Honestly I am very disappointed the Ranger does not perform like the Warrior. Damage is weak even with a level 20 Ranger and max dmg bows. Though Rangers have been given attention with more than adequate defenses, spirits to apply to nearly any situation, Beast Mastery, etc. I am of the opinion that they are at best a support class, trading in their wand or staff for a bow and adding a notch more of armor.

I will keep my Ranger and further learn the intricacies of the profession. However, I would like to see damage increase and perhaps more abilities in line with the Warrior.

kawaii_bat · Oct 17, 2005, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by ozz

When I am home this evening, I will delete my Ranger at once ... Honestly I am very disappointed the Ranger 1-does not perform like the Warrior. 2-Damage is weak even with a level 20 Ranger and max dmg bows. Though Rangers have been given attention with more than adequate defenses, spirits to apply to nearly any situation, Beast Mastery, etc. I am of the opinion that they are at best a support class, trading in their wand or staff for a bow and 3-adding a notch more of armor.

I will keep my Ranger and further learn the intricacies of the profession. However, I would like to see damage increase and perhaps more 4-abilities in line with the Warrior.

1-The ranger can perform like a Warrior.
While the warrior engages creatures in melee to stop them from reaching weaker characters in the back.
A ranger does the same thing but has a different method: 9 ranger skills that cripple,slow,knock down and cause damage when creatures aproach 4 different traps (one of which cripples another which knocks down), maiming strike, crippling shot and pin-down, hunters shot, muddy terrain

The ranger is in effect a *stopper and preventer* not an engager like the warrior but he does the same job as the warrior none-the-less.

2-The ranger's ability to be versatile and damage dealing depends heavilly on your secondary.
R/E have the potential to deal more damage as a ranger than any other combination.
R/N Ever heard of Order of the vampire+barrage? Bwahahahaha

Oh! And Order of pain?
R/Mo Judge's Insight+Penetrating attack = ignore 40% of your opponent's armor and deal +11-32 more *holy* damage in addition to any other preperations. You can also heal yourself and your pet more easilly.
R/W Since the warrior uses skills and the ranger has expertise, most of their skills are less costly.
R/Me Fevered dreams and/or Fragility + apply poison, crippling shot, hunter's shot.

3-The ranger has as much armor as the warrior but not against physical damage, againstelemental damage.

4-The ranger has every bit of condition dealing and evading ability as the warrior and then some!

P.S you have conflicting messages at the beggingin and end of your post

lol. Are you deleting your ranger or learning the intricacies of the profession?

Goonter · Oct 17, 2005, 05:16 PM // 17:16

Personal testamony.

I play a ranger and a monk.
When I get into teams with my ranger, my team usually wins.
When I get into teams with my monk, my team wins...sometimes.

And Its not that Im a bad monk, its just, when I am a monk I dont watch or control the offencive. I keep the party alive and hope my teammates can take out the mobs before they take us out. Sometimes, everything is aggroed I run out of energy and players start to drop. A few times it could have been my fault for not spamming a heal or protection spell fast enough, but usually, its only a matter of time and Im just delaying the inevatable.

When I have my ranger its different. I usually take a leadership role, I pull and call targets that are priority or targets of oppertunity. I spam interrupts so the team doesnt even take damage in the first place. I put out a heavier steady DPS than elementist and sometimes warriors. And yeah, if nessecary, my pet tanks really well and with same patiance to set them up, the proper ritual can make my ranger into an awesome tank too.

The teams I get into with my ranger are pretty versitle and if anyone starts spamming "gogogo" or "we need another monk/tank" I kick them or leave the team. Ive experanced enought failed missions with 2war/3ele/3monks to know....
The classes garrentee little. How usless is a elementist that fires a metero shower on a single ice imp, when a partol of 5 that you must engage is headed your way? I see stuff like this often. And its never "this eley sucks". But he does, and your team would have done better with a smart anything else.

Odai · Oct 17, 2005, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

I just got totally ignored by around 5 or 6 groups in Hells precipice. Totally bored with standing and spamming, i got my monk instead.
Within seconds i received invitations.

I asked why i should join their groups when they didn't want my ranger. I got no reply.

It's an anti-ranger conspiracy i tell you.

"Forming group, need monks, tanks and nukers. Invite self!"

Why stand around? If I get an unasked for invite and I have the time I'll accept any invite tossed my way. I gave up waiting for invites along time ago; about 6 months ago that is.

I beat Hell's Precipice with my Curses Necro/Ranger last night using only henchies.
I put 13 in wilderness for winter and the rest in ny Necro skills.

If you can keep yourself alive and do some - not a tremendous amout, but some- damage then you should be able to work your way through it.
Took me three hours but I managed to do it with 1 Ranger skill. A real Ranger should be able to breeze through the place.

BTW I couldn't get either a PUG or Henchie team all the way through TH.
Four Rangers needed a babysitter for the King. I covered the King while they completed the misison. Piece of cake for them.

Arturo02 · Oct 17, 2005, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by kawaii_bat

R/Me Fevered dreams and/or Fragility + apply poison, crippling shot, hunter's shot.

Can also go poison elite, conjure and follow it up with distraction or disabling shot (take one of the two). Pin down if they run. Phantom pain in case you are attacking the undead as the poison won't work. Throw in an ungent, a rez and antidote sig and you are set.

Epinephrine · Oct 17, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

I've done many ranger only missions. Theyre great - I often take along the healers (bots) to help out, but 6 rangers taking turns laying healing springs is pretty tough to mess with, and the focus fire is just nasty.

Here's a pic of one of my favorite runs :

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4020/gw1694ux.jpg

Believe · Oct 17, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Loch

It's not cuz you're a ranger; it's because you're doing Ascension missions. Any idiot who played long enough to get to the desert is now trying to beat missions that take an ounce of skill.

My advice? Consider henchmen groups until you hit Dragon's Lair. Sure it can be boring, but it saved me from loads of frustration. It sounds like you have some commanding skills, so henchmen WILL work for you.

Also, anyone who thinks the following is a complete moron and should be avoided:

-Rangers have no use
-Mesmers don't do anything good
-Necros without wells are garbage
-Henchmen monks never work

I prefer Mhenlo over most Monks that are played by players lmfao. He actually does a great job.

Shinsei · Oct 17, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by kawaii_bat

R/N Ever heard of Order of the vampire+barrage? Bwahahahaha

Ever heard of 2 elites? Bwahahahaha

Epinephrine · Oct 17, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Shinsei

Ever heard of 2 elites? Bwahahahaha

Yeah, the Fevered Dreams+Crippling Shot is another of those. As well, the ranger doesn't have as much armour as the warrior, really, as the warrior gets a 16 AL shield. So he has 116/96, while the ranger has 70/100. Granted, if you know what element you are facing you can have 70/115, but it still isn't the best armour.

Neonin · Oct 17, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

You know, after reading all these types of posts on here I'm quite glad I tend to do everything with henchmen... Then again I haven't got past the mission involving dragging that stupid eye thing around in Kryta yet. My current character would probably get flamed by the sort of people you find in PUGs anyway because he's a Ranger/Warrior who uses half his skill bar for pet skills and the other half for cutting people into little pieces with a sword. Maybe not the most powerful build etc etc, but it fits with the roleplay I envision for the character even if roleplay is almost non-existant in this game (from my own personal experience).

Shade4 · Oct 18, 2005, 01:18 AM // 01:18

First of all hello everyone this is my first post on these forums

now back to the topic, Jakerius I agree with you and everyone else here, Rangers are hated by 50% of GW players it seems, most groups think they are useless and just take the w/m with the noobish builds,the monks and then the nukers and thats it. Its especially anoying when you see someone spamming LF Nukers,Tanks,Healers We dont take Rangers!!!! or when you get into a group and people keep saying how useless rangers are, and then once the whole group dies and I go back and rez everyone they finally shut up but still never say TY. So yeh i understand what its like to deal with idiots who think our class is useless...

Loch · Oct 18, 2005, 02:49 AM // 02:49

I don't understand why people have such a hard time finding a group. Spamming "LFG!" is so useless, especially when you see the same three people saying that over and over. Let's look at this logically:

Person A is looking for a team.
Person B is looking for a team.
Person C is looking for a team.

Person A still hasn't found a team.
Person B still hasn't found a team.
Person C still hasn't found a team.

What's the obvious solution? You tell me.

Barry Whitte · Oct 18, 2005, 02:55 AM // 02:55

I didnt even read more than 5 posts in this thread. If you cant get in a group as a ranger, start your own group or do the missions with henchmen. They all follow your called target and its very easy with them.

Rangers are the absolute best build in the game along with necros. Look at all the top guilds on the ladder, they all use ranger spike as one of their main builds. That alone should say enough about rangers.

Bottom line take henchmen or start ur own group, never a problem then. Most people in pve are eles or w bc they can do the most damadge by themselves.

Shade4 · Oct 18, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Loch

I don't understand why people have such a hard time finding a group. Spamming "LFG!" is so useless, especially when you see the same three people saying that over and over. Let's look at this logically:

Person A is looking for a team.
Person B is looking for a team.
Person C is looking for a team.

Person A still hasn't found a team.
Person B still hasn't found a team.
Person C still hasn't found a team.

What's the obvious solution? You tell me.

Yeh I totally agree with you, I usually try to invite everyone who is spamming LFG and create my own group but its still annoying when people dont take Rangers into their groups even tough they need like 1 last person and just get a tank or something.

Celryn Bowslinger · Nov 12, 2005, 09:44 AM // 09:44

My R/E is my fave character. I did most missions on her with henchies though, because I got tired of being in bad PUGs. But most of the time in PUGs if the rest of the team is dead or dying my R/E is still alive; often the last one alive. Also, I did Thunderhead Keep with 3 other rangers and we all trapped with some interrupts. Easiest mission I ever did once I hit Kryta and beyond. None of the rangers died even once in that mission. Rangers are underappreciated for sure, but like some others have said, some narrow minded folks think if you aren't a warrior or monk you have no purpose. Those also tend to be the same kind of folks who agro everything, die and blame everyone around them....go figure......................

Willy Rockwell · Nov 12, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Yeh I've noticed that groups seldom pick rangers, except of course for trapper groups. But I've also found a solution which works even better than getting picked. I start my own group.
Now I'm in control of who comes along, and I can boot someone who looks like trouble. I am the star of all the cut scenes and people listen to me on the mission. They won't let your ranger follow? Become a leader.

Phoenix Denfer · Nov 12, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

I love being a ranger (primary and secondary) and I love playing WITH rangers in groups. One of my favorite character to play is my Me/R who was first through the game. I definately experineced all that the op was experiencing until one day I decided for the heck of it to change the TIME of day I was playing.

Being US eastern time, I would get on early in the morning putting me into districts with fewer people and international players playing on the American servers. The QUALITY of these groups increased rapidly for me.

The overall reason as I could see was, we NEEDED each other, therefore we were more willing to work WITH each other to succeed. Afterall there wasn't much option waiting for us back at camp.

By 3 pm my time, the whole thing degernerates into everything the op mentioned. Rudeness level increases rapidly and there is a definate change in atmosphere over all.

From that point on I choose henchies to team with or farm and save the missions for the next day.

Unfortanately, not everyone can change time of day like that, but if you can, try it, you'll be surprised how much better the pug quality is when you do.

One day, I'm just going to go through all the coops again with only rangers, mesmers and necros and get screenshots of everyone of them.

Wouldn't that be a hoot.. GROUP FORMING...NECROS, MESMER AND RANGERS NEED ONLY APPLY!

Whosaidwhatnow · Nov 12, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Rangers rule in PvP, they suck in PvE. That's just the way it is.

When nobody wants my current class, I make a new character. I know it sucks, maybe you just want to be a ranger, but the fact of the matter is that most people won't want you in their group until you hit the Ring of Fire missions (after Thunderhead Keep).

I have different characters for every occasion, it takes a long time to build up but its worth it in the end.

The suggestions that others have listed here are good. Try and find a ranger-friendly guild, they are definitely out there. There is always a trap group forming in TOA, like he says this may be a good place to start. The other suggestion I agreed with is to just try henching it until the Southern Shiverpeaks missions (around Droknar's Forge, includes Iron Mines, Thunderhead Keep). During the ascension missions it can be really tough to find a group, and half the groups you find will be worse off than henches. This go-through (3rd char), I did all the ascension mission with henchmen, and it worked out just fine. Even though henches can be completely braindead, do things like call your attacks, then run away, pulling the creatures with you... don't skip enemies needlessly, if you think there's the slightest chance they'll flank you when you pull that next group, take an extra minute and eliminate them... it really sucks to get to within shouting distance of the end of a mission, only to accidentally pull a mob you didn't need and kill your whole group... these things are probably common sense to you, but they're worth noting anyway.

Good luck, hope you get through. PM me if you need help.

streetboy · Nov 12, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Chad

Someone's signature on another popular Guild Wars says it perfectly:

Easy: Do the mission with your guild.
Normal: Do the mission with henchmen.
Hard: Do the mission with a pick-up group.

Easy/Normal: Do the mission with henchmen.
Hard: Do the mission with your guild.

Only one desert mission and THK need guild help, rest is easy. With new repellent spell, I even think THK may be possible by henchmen.

Doooom · Nov 13, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

I just have one thing to say: I'm now thoroughly convinced that Pets are the most overlooked part of the game. When my pet didn't even level up when I ascended, I decided that it's just not worth the effort.

Just a quick rant.